Sharing because I found this very interesting.

The Four Thieves Vinegar Collective has a DIY design for a home lab you can set up to reproduce expensive medication for dirt cheap, producing medication like that used to cure Hepatitis C, along with software they developed that can be used to create chemical compounds out of common household materials.

  • flicker@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    I believe every American knows someone whose life is made substantially worse because of a lack of access to healthcare.

    I want to set this up and learn to use it. I want to keep it and maintain it and wait. Because I’ll inevitably hear from someone that they can’t afford their life-saving medication.

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    4 months ago

    I fucking love pirate medicine. Fuck the US healthcare system, what good is having the “best healthcare in the world” if you can’t even afford mediocre healthcare?

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    4 months ago

    OK, this is only tangentially related but it has been on my mind lately and I need to rant:

    I am T1 diabetic. Over the last decade, a LOT has happened to improve my life, especially in regards to no longer needing to check glucose levels with blood, as glucose sensors you wear on your arm have become ubiquitous.

    It started with a dedicated device that you needed to hold up to the sensor to get a reading (much nicer than pricking your finger) to that sensor being able to notify the dedicated device of high/low glucose values (yay! Sleep through the night, knowing you’ll be woken up if something is wrong) to the sensor now constantly streaming glucose values to your phone.

    Which is fantastic.

    In theory.

    In practice, there are two companies making these sensors (OK, there’s a couple more, but they suck way more and are much less commonly used).

    And both of their closed-source apps suuuuuuuuck. They do the bare minimum and nothing more. (Actually, it’s worse than that. Ask me if you want to know. It’s its own rant.)

    Then there’s xdrip+, a FANTASTIC app made by diabetics for diabetics. Instead of just showing you “this is your glucose” and sounding an alarm, once, when it’s required, you can (just off the top of my head): Set an arbitrary amount of alarms with their own behaviors, which can be configured to vary by time of day; show the glucose everywhere (notification, lock screen, home screen,…); mute alarms for a custom time; do not sound an alarm if you’re trending in the correct direction fast enough; do not sound the alarm multiple times if your are jittering around the threshold; notify other people automatically in case of emergency; and roughly 1000 things more. The app is well maintained, and of course open source.

    Can you guess what the problem is?

    That’s right, manufacturers disapprove of using this app. For the worse one of the two sensors mentioned, the community reverse engineered the communication and it is now working perfectly with the app. For the better sensor, they can’t and won’t due to fear of legal repercussions.

    It’s my health. And I need to decide between worse hardware and useless software.

    There’s no technical reason for this. I dream of the EU passing a law that requires manufacturers of wearable medical devices to publish the comm protocols and to legitimize use of third party software.

    Rant over.

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      That fucking sucks, and as someone who wears hearing aids it’s very relatable. Hearing aids are an investment that last about 5-10 years. As a teenager I got some demo units, then when I absolutely couldn’t keep them working anymore about a decade later and had the money I upgraded them.

      In practical terms this is about 15 years of advancement, and it shows. Gone are the days of molds of your ear, replaced by little domes that rest in the canal. But more relevant to the story, you used to have about a week per battery, and very little tech beyond some computation, volume adjustment, phone mode, etc. To turn them off you’d take out the battery.

      My current ones didn’t have options for removable batteries, only rechargeable, nor for if you have Bluetooth. You can control volume on the device and that’s it, the rest is in an app. Now overall this has been better than I thought it would be. Tv gets beamed into my ears, as do phone calls. My batteries never die unexpectedly.

      However, I hate that app. Partly it’s having to pull out my personal phone at my desk to turn my ears off (open offices are the root problem but sometimes I just can’t do sound at the moment, a common experience for the hard of hearing). I also dislike how there’s no custom naming for modes (meeting mode is called church mode because hearing aid manufacturers don’t understand that not all deaf people are elderly).

      But mostly it’s the damn Bluetooth, that wonderful terrible Bluetooth. There is no “search for new devices” option, it happens automatically when removing from the dock/charger as part of turning on. But worse than that there’s no “forget device” option. And any time a device sends messages to the hearing aids it prioritizes most recent. This is a dangerous combination with apartment living. It’s unlikely to go bad, but for me it did and holy hell it was frustrating to have less control over my medical devices than headphones. I couldn’t wear my hearing aids at home until my audiologist got in contact with the manufacturer and reset the devices because randomly my tv, audiobook, or amplification of my wife’s voice would cut to my neighbors device where they were clearly frustrated because they’d be turning it off and on and I’d be swapping my device in app and it’d get switched back as new device tries talking… It was clear that the designers were too afraid of the users breaking things by having control to allow us to fix things that “just worked” their way into a real problem. And if I weren’t a technologically skilled young woman I probably wouldn’t have been able to sufficiently describe the problem to get it solved

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        You just described every problem I’ve ever had with my Bluetooth headphones… I’m just about ready to throw them out because I take meetings constantly, and somehow my headphones are never connected to the right thing…

        I hate Bluetooth with a passion, and I’m so sorry you have to deal with that for your hearing aid.

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    4 months ago

    Piracy is how you got Netflix.

    This is how we’ll change the pharmaceutical industry. They’ll overreact and Streisand Effect this and it’ll blow up. Become normalized. The open source tech will improve.

    This is a good thing. Period.

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      4 months ago

      Pirating movies and games can’t kill you

      Home brewing seizure medication can

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        This is America dude. Human life costs $7.25 an hour here. We can’t even do anything to keep children safe from their number 1 killer here.

        Nobody cares. Those who do care are completely powerless to change anything.

        Yes. Mistakes will happen. People will die. People die every day right now. Many of them because they can’t afford life saving medicine. I’d happily take a risk on this before I’d saddle my family with $50,000 a month for medicine that you can get in Canada or Mexico for $50.

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    This is extremely dangerous and also something I feel must be considered a natural and obvious extension of a right I believe to be fundamental: bodily autonomy.

    Would I do this? Probably not, maybe for some medicines, that are easily made administrable from bulk chemicals but likely not. But behind all rights stands bodily autonomy. It is your flesh and not mine. If we don’t want people doing this themselves the lever we should use is easing access to expert made medicines. Desperate people do stupid things.

    Also this is cyberpunk as hell and aesthetically I’m so here for it

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    This is super cool and helpful as a resource but I really don’t think people without a chemistry background should be doing anything more than following precise instructions, hopefully with some form of verification test at the end. The idea to have people without a chemistry background use a forked version of askcos and just run with it is a little scary.

    The affordable Controlled Lab Reactor for diy is fantastic for helping people follow precise instructions to the letter just all of those instructions should be meticulously vetted by actual chemists and have some safeguard tests at the end where necessary. It seems the founder wants that vision too at the end of the conference just there’s not enough of a community yet to support it.

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      4 months ago

      I see drug lords getting into this if it is feasible and it isn’t a good scenario. It would paint them as real saviors and make the situation more unstable.

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        Technically, drug dealers are using the tech (more specifically, other people are using it, then selling the product to the drug dealers, who then sell it to their customers as a ‘service’ included with the drugs)

        The thing is, they’re not doing it to make stronger drugs, or for PR purposes. They’re actually adding pre-exposure prophylactics (PrEPs) into their heroin, which then creates the side effect of preventing the contraction of HIV from the needles. (referenced about 1/3rd of the way down this article)

        If people are already going to be addicted to these drugs, them not getting HIV from it is just one harm reduction measure that can reduce their risk of serious, permanent illness.

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    4 months ago

    This seems both awesome and dangerous. The two analogies that come to mind are home canning and home brewing. They’re both generally safe and easy. But every so often someone gives their family botulism.