If all of mankind’s energy was supplied through solar panels would the effect be big enough to decrease the temperature (since light is converted in part to electricity)?

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    it’s transformed into some heat and some electricity, which is then used to power something that then transformed it into heat. The only solar energy that doesn’t heat up the planet is the one that is reflected back into space

    if you use a watt of sunlight to power your phone instead of a watt of energy you got from burning coal, this watt of energy instead stays below earth and therefore doesn’t heat up the planet.

    What?

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      Fossil fuels are carbon.

      That carbon was sequestered from the atmosphere millions of years ago.

      Burning fossil fuels releases that carbon into the atmosphere, which then makes the earth hotter

      Think of oil as dead dinosaurs and coal as dead trees, that’s basically what it is.

      All that stuff was taken out of circulation over an insanely long timeline, and now on a very short timeline we’re digging it up and putting it back into circulation. So fast that species can’t adapt to the change and die out before they can evolve.

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          This?

          if you use a watt of sunlight to power your phone instead of a watt of energy you got from burning coal, this watt of energy instead stays below earth and therefore doesn’t heat up the planet.

          The “watt of energy” is a watt from the coal… And they’re saying to leave the coal buried and sequestered.

          I assumed that was understood, so I explained how burning coal heats up the planet…

          You may have not realized what you highlighted had to do with fossil fuels, but that’s just because you didn’t understand.

          Which is fine, you did the right thing and asked questions.

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            Burning coal doesn’t significantly heat the planet directly. The CO2 released by this causes solar heating to be more effective by trapping the escaping infrared radiation. It’s the greenhouse gases that are the issue, not the energy released by combustion. “Watts staying underground” is a poor explanation. Burning coal makes watts from the sun more effective at heating the earth.

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              Participate pollution melts glaciers which increases the temperature long after it fucks shit up by trapping heat in the atmosphere and blocking photosynthesis.

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                Just saying “watts staying underground” is a poor explanation. That’s an insignificant amount of energy compared to what the sun is delivering and what’s being trapped by CO2. “Carbon staying underground” is much more the priority.

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                  Just saying “watts staying underground” is a poor explanation

                  Which is why I clarified for someone what someone else likely meant…

                  I’m not sure what you’re doing here, do you want me to go complain to the person who first used that phrasing on your behalf?

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                That’s not really relevant. Fine particulate emissions from coal power plants, which are already mostly gone in the US but are still used around the world, don’t travel a really long distance.

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                  No, they do.

                  Precipitate pollution from coal use in India and China is making it to the northern glaciars.

                  It doesn’t need to be a lot, a small speck on a glacier can “snowball” into a substantial melt because black soot gets hotter than white snow.

                  When soot settles on snow in large enough quantities, it creates a dark, heat-absorbent film on the otherwise reflective white surface of the snow. This causes the surface to absorb significantly more heat than it otherwise would, which eventually thins the snow down to the glacial ice that sits below the surface layer, causing further retreat.

                  https://www.nbcnews.com/sciencemain/coal-soot-darkened-melted-glaciers-during-industrial-revolution-8C11069699

                  It’s not like the soot has to blanket it, especially when they’re already melting.

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            If you swim in an Olympic sized pool instead of a kiddie pool, this will give you a better experience

            Grammatically, coal was not the subject of that sentence. But that’s fine, I see what OP was going for.

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              But that’s fine, I see what OP was going for.

              Weird choice to downvote the person who helped you understand, but you do you I guess.

              It’s definitely convinced me not to spend anytime helping you in the future though. So maybe don’t be like this to the next person, Lemmy is small and there’s only so many people to help you, eventually you’ll run out.

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                I downvote those who downvote me. No worries, I didn’t really need your “help”.