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  • na you’re just making assumptions instead of reading what is actually said. I have not made a statement about what paths I personally support, only that unless you take action personally non-sense about the practicality of a particular idea is self defeating. there are always challenges and struggles the point is to surmount them not wallow in self pity. again pointing to a personal issue with the person claiming impracticality. not with the person proposing and ideally taking action on a path.







  • I actually dont. you’re all just dense on what I’m telling you. congrats the EU has implemented a patch that still will not prevent the issue from occurring. putting more red tape in the way of slapp lawsuits won’t prevent them, just make them more expensive. which was never the problem in the first place, since you know, wealthy people are the ones driving them.

    secondly, I was using slapp lawsuits were an example of the fundamental problem with using the legal system to address issues.

    Stop assuming the rest of the world’s governments are as evil and useless as in the US before making unfounded accusations

    never made a single accusation. project much? I said the law will have a chilling effect on innovation. which is perfectly okay its a god damn power cord.

    you’re the ones who have decided that I’m spouting nonsense and that it doesnt apply in your region despite me literally handing you the evidence that:

    1. it does apply to your region.
    2. the effects im pointing to are literally things you cannot legislate away,
    3. the slapp law your referencing as proof isnt actually proof because (see report) and its been tried before. it helps but doesnt prevent the issues im describing and using as an example.
    4. it doesnt apply to laws around corpo regulations which as i’ve been pointing out suffer from the same fundamental ability to be weaponized.

    finally I actually think the EU has been doing good fucking work on holding companies to account. however it doesnt mean we have to ignore the potential side effects and dismiss them.






  • okay champ, People dont need to go to your towns lake to know that its just as wet as their lake.

    literally took me 5 seconds to find that slapp problems still exist in the EU,just like i said it would. you know why? because as i explained to someone else there are two types of legal systems, ones that redress harms and ones that protect those in power by punishment. In the ones that redress harms (which is fairly debatable if these even exist) the legal system MUST allow the abuse I described to occur in some form.

    Its literally just a property of how legal systems must function. it doesn’t matter what jurisdiction, or guardrails you’ve put in place. it will continue to happen because otherwise you don’t have a legal system that actually allows harms to be addressed if you prevent people from making their case about the harm being done; and part of doing that is a discovery process, which costs a shit ton of money/time for the defendent.

    I was using trumps nonsense as a fucking example because its a shared contextual of the problem that even you in the EU (or anywhere) would have likely heard about, but you’d have to actually think for a second to see how it applies. Another trumpy example of this phenomena is not paying people for their work. which then requires them to sue him. which he’d then proceed to drag the process out as long as possible, again draining their financial resources while its just a fixed ongoing cost for him. there are a million ways to abuse the legal system effectively.

    but yes, I’m the arrogant one for actually knowing my shit vs you who apparently can’t even make basic logical deductions and then gets in a tiff when its pointed out. shrug Now stop wasting peoples time with your nonsense.


  • I literally said the environments are different. please read. What my entire point is about is that these problems are systemic and unsolvable due to human nature. SLAPPs were just a single example of the systemic issue. The primary way (IIRC) the EU addressed SLAPPs is by allowing for financial recovery for the defendant from the accuser after winning the case, this is only useful if the defendant can actually afford to run the trial to completion.

    You literally cannot have a legal system that prevents the point I’m making because if you did you’d have a legal system that prevents redressing actual harm, which is fundamentally the point of a functioning legal system.

    Any system that presupposes no harm is being done and rejects cases out of hand will result in unaddressed harms. Any system that actually prevents harm must have a way for a party to prove their position of harm being done. Any system that allows for a party to prove their position of harm inherently allows for the system to be abused by parties who can sink money into forcing discovery, etc.

    These are just facts about the legal system that literally cannot be avoided no matter how much you try to hand wave them away with nonsense about ‘standing’ or trying to assert one geopolitical area vs another.

    Either you have a legal system that allows for redressing harm or you have a legal system that is for punishment and protecting the state (i.e. were sovereign immunity comes from).

    Since ostensibly both judicial systems in this conversation allow for a discovery phase, which often is incredibly expensive for the defending party, my original point stands that these types of laws can be abused to financially drain competition.

    Again I have nothing against this law in particular beyond the problems inherent in such a policy. which in this case are minor and would not prevent me from supporting it in general; but we should be aware of the harm potential.


  • you could “sue” for any reason just to waste everyone’s time and money.

    this is literally what happens today, all the fing time. examples of it as a legal strategy appear all over the place.

    I’ve addressed the ‘standing’ nonsense in plenty of places. standing isn’t a thing that is set in stone. examples of lack of standing cases going to court and case that should have standing being denied are everywhere. you just need to find a willing judge either ideologically or bribable.

    off the top of my head: student loan relief was challenged by companies who managed the payments process as contractors for the government, widely agreed upon by legal experts to not actually have standing. cases involving abortion being tossed out due to lack of standing due to the birth or death of the fetus. Obviously US examples, but if i bothered looking into the EU id find examples there too.


  • Okay so firstly that’s not true. If a lawsuit isn’t reasonable it can be filed but it won’t make it to court.

    yes it can and will. someone hasnt been paying attention to literally the entire trump presidency and general behavior of republican AGs i see. How much time was wasted in courts on the election steal nonsense. All you need is to find a judge who will hear the case and you can bribe one for that. Now obviously that example doesn’t directly apply to the EU but im sure if i go looking I’ll find examples of everything i’ve said in EU jurisdictions.

    Secondly even if that was the case it wouldn’t make any difference because you could also sue companies for not following rules.

    remember the issue here is the money that is wasted on lawyers and courts preventing low capital groups from getting traction. they literally wouldnt have the money to do that.

    The behavior i’m describing is a extremely well known strategy. It comes in a number of forms.

    Thirdly please look up the actual law. There’s no requirement to use a particular port you simply have to include whatever the currently recommended standard is

    I did look up the law and I’m aware of this. Please learn some ability to connect the dots. developing a new standard -> costs money. ensuring the new standard is interoperable with the old one such that it can do this -> costs money. low capital groups lack money. Therefor by definition there will be a chilling effect on new development due to this law.

    Finally, Im in favor of this law. I just don’t deny the side effects it will have and how it’ll potentially be abused by companies. The only way it doesnt have the effect I’ve described is if it carves out exceptions for individuals and small revenue companies.