• Lumidaub@feddit.org
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    I’m not sure I even understand the question. How does manipulation make you “right”? You might be perceived as being right but that obviously doesn’t mean you ARE right.

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      Via the mind-manipulating technique called “propaganda” an idea is inserted into your head, and the rightness of the idea too.

      Understand?

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        2 months ago

        Yeah, that’s just the perception of being right. Doesn’t say anything about the actual truth of the claim.

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    2 months ago

    No. The earth doesn’t get flat no matter how much people you get to believe it. As for opinions, they’re still just opinions. There’s no right and wrong opinion.

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      If you describe an opinion as right or wrong, you are talking about the opinion’s relation to reality. And opinions certainly do have such relation.

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      2 months ago

      Bob makes a precise observation and thus concludes that the earth is round.

      Rob is told that the earth is round, in school, and thus concludes that the earth is round.

      Are they both right?

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        Your question makes no sense if you put yourself at the receiving end of the manipulation.

        In other words:

        The one who tells thing can be right (or wrong). The one who is told things does not have that question.

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        Yes. If, back when people believed incorrectly the earth was flat, someone played a joke on Cob and told him the earth was really round and he believed it, he’s correct too. Even though someone manipulated him into believing something they themselves didn’t believe.

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        Jerry was home schooled by his uncle, and has been told the earth is flat, and concluded the earth is flat.

        Jerry is wrong. When Jerry tells his friends the earth is flat, he is not lying. Just wrong. When Bob says the earth is flat, he is lying. Knowing full well it is round.

        Jane was taught that the earth is stretched a little bit because of the centrifugal force of it’s spinning.

        Jane is also right.

        Bob and Jane had a conversation about the shape, and experienced a thing called nuance. It’s not perfectly round after all.

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    “Man is always prey to his truths. Once he has admitted them, he cannot free himself from them.” -Albert Camus

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      I doubt that final clause. Sure you can free yourself of your truths. You only need to sacrifice a bit of face, ego and maybe certainty.

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    So you manipulate people so that they should believe you. And if it works, they think you are right. Now you ask if you are really right?

    No, you are not. You are laughable.

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      Nah if you tricked people into getting vaccines you’d be right because getting vaccines is still the right choice.

      To OP: how you convince people of a fact doesn’t change that fact, you can manipulate people to believe a lie as much as a truth. The latter is what democrats need to do to win against Trump for instance, lie and cheat and disparage the opposition at every opportunity, call them all molestors, party of Epstein island etc etc and just fool people into believing the right thing just like trump, putin etc. fool people into believing the wrong thing.