As a British lad, I’ve been keeping tabs on the news about this guy and the wide support he’s getting.
With so much support, surely the public will get him out of jail just to spite the bastard rich kids and their CEO baron fathers?
The Man who was shot allowed a massive corporation to dangle its strings over people’s lives, medication being pulled away which is horrifying to me who uses the NHS as my primary medical service for hearing.
What do you think? Will Luigi “The CEO Reaper” Mangione ever get out of prison?
Politics aside. The court is not going to grant bail to anyone accused of first degree murder who is a flight risk. And given the current narrative seems to be that he shot a man in NYC and was found in another state. I’d say they’d consider him a flight risk.
It would be a shame if a few people in NYC started posting signs on every corner with a brief description of jury nullification and a QR code with a link to explain it further until the trial is over.
Sounds like you want someone else to do all the work :/ in general, if you want change to happen, you have to be willing do something about it. One-sentence suggestions aren’t likely to getting us any closer to educating people about jury nullification 🤦
Yeah let me just go to where this dude is being tried from Texas to post signs. If there is one thing that humans are good at, and has effectively made us the dominating species on the planet, it’s communication. That’s what I’m doing. I am unable to affect that sort of change in that area because its extremely far away. Do you live in NY?
Also from the looks of it, you got butthurt that I laughed at another comment of you backing down from explaining yourself so you decided that you would look at my post history from last week to see if you could do the same.
So, to get into this a little further, do you live in NYC? If so, please post some signs, if you do not, why the fuck are you commenting on this?
Whoa easy there partner I wasn’t trying to make you mad ✋ haha just calm down ok?
Lol alright man
See isn’t that better? No need to get into a pissing fight with some random person on the internet. It’s just not worth it, right?
Are you from NY or not? Or are you going to continue your streak of having opinions you’re not willing to back up?
My guess is that you will while being as childish as possible.
If you don’t like being angry then don’t say shitty things to people on the internet. Play stupid games 🫱
I expect he will be denied bail if they can show the evidence against him is strong enough. Even if you have enough money, that’s just not a guarantee. They don’t set the bail at $50mn or something, it’s just not an option offered.
The boring but probably correct answer is he never breathes free air again, and his best case scenario is avoiding the death penalty.
his best case scenario is avoiding the death penalty.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but couldn’t the jury decide not to convict him and he’d be a free man? I’ve read that in some places at least. Or is there a mechanism to prevent that?
That might happen but is very unlikely. Jury selection is done by both sides so it’s very unlikely you’d get a jury united in deciding not to convict him.
However the Supreme Court ruled that jury verdicts have to be unanimous. It is very possible that the jury is unable to reach a unanimous verdict if 1 or more jurors refuse to convict. If this happens it would be a mistrial, and the case would be retired with a new jury. In theory this could keep happening until either a unanimous verdict is reached by a jury or a judge decides that this should not be retried as its been tried multiple times without outcome.
Another key element will be his defense which could lead to him getting a not guilty verdict. The only real defense as a mitigation would be insanity. Otherwise it seems unlikely (albeit possible) that it’s the wrong man.
The most likely scenario is a jury unanimously convicts him in my opinion. However people may feel about the case, a jury has to make a decision on whether the facts show he committed a crime - it seems pretty clear there is enough evidence to make a decision and it’s unlikely other factors will come in to play in a jury room.
In the US, a jury can choose to ignore the facts, and they can not be punished for it.
I actually think that’s quite a nice check on judicial power
On one hand, yes. On the other hand, this has largely been used in the deep south to ensure that people who openly lynched black people evaded conviction.
They are gonna bribe and threaten this jury like we’ve never seen before.
They won’t need to. If the jury is not unanimous, they can keep trying the case. Infinitely.
It’s theoretically possible but it requires a justice system that is actually blind. A justice system that didn’t just assign him a judge who’s married to a dude that was a former executive at a pfizer and still holds hundreds of thousands of dollars in healthcare companies, which apparently is something that she feels doesn’t require her to recuse herself even given the stature of this case
The jury selection process will be rigorous and will ensure that the people sitting on the panel are sympathetic to capitalists
Karen Friedman Agnifilo is an absolute pro who worked in the system for 30 years, I think he’s in very capable hands and if its unduly stacked against in him, I gurantee she will be very vocal about that publicly and she has a massive platform inside and outside the courtroom since she’s an original player in the Meidas Touch Network which is fantastic.
There’s no other lawyer or person in general I would trust more than her for something life or death like this
It does seem they’ll try to use his case as a deterrent to anyone thinking about following in his footsteps. I think they will be harsh and he’ll be made into a martyr. The religious imagery of Saint Luigi may be apt and more than just a meme.
Historically speaking, yes. He will be convicted and executed as a message. The message to the rich is that the justice system
they’vewe’ve bought and paid for has their back. To the rest of us it’s a message about the cost of going after the wealthy. Thing is, the more they fuck the rest of us over, the more it’s a cost worth paying. But they are trying to keep us in line.Wild how you spent time typing that out instead of engraving your brass.
You have a source for that connection with the judge?
The ruling class doesn’t want him martyred but they want him killed so very much.
My bets are he is given a life sentence with a groomed jury and he is extrajudicially executed in prison by an unknown agent.
groomed jury
Oh you’d be surprised. There’s a lot of people that have the “Murder is Murder” mindset, its not hard to find those and convene a jury.
